Voting Ends Thursday Nov 20th and the Winners will be Announced Friday Nov 21st!
Considering their vested interest in these awards Jennifer Lynch of the CHRC asked for and was granted a say in determining the nominees, it was the least we could do. Ms. Lynch perused each category and relayed her recommendations to me via the signalling device implanted in my brain.
You may view how diligently she worked below, besides she needs ammo.
Here are Your Nominees! Vote for Freedom!
1) Blogger most likely to face a Section 13(1) complaint
Links to Category Nominees: 5FeetofFury, Point de Bascule, Ezra Levant, Sheik Yer'Mami, G Person , Marginalized Action Dinosaur, Blazingcatfur
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2) Most Insulting to the Prophet Blog Post
Links to Category Nominees: No Dhimmitude - Muslim Cartoon People, Wally Keeler - SONNET IN THE NAME OF ALLAH, Colonel Robert Neville - Derek & Clive Discuss Islam, MAD - Sword of Islam
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3) Best Infidel Blogger - non-restricted category
Links to Category Nominees: Robert Spencer - Jihad Watch, Infidel Blogger Alliance, Free Canuckistan, Blood Thirsty Liberal, Dust My Broom
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4) Favourite Gal Infidel Blogger
Links to Category Nominees: SDA, Debbie Schlussel, Women against Sharia, The Outraged Spleen of Zion, Rachel Lucas, 5FeetOfFury, Girl on the Right, Blogging for a Free World, Shooting Star, Annie Lessard - Point de Bascule
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5) Favourite Guy Infidel Blogger
Links to Category Nominees: Jay Currie, Ezra Levant, Marginalized Action Dinosaur, Marc Lebuis of Point de Bascule, Trupeers of Covenant Zone, Binks of Free Canuckistan, Darcey of DustMyBroom, Nick of Ghost of a Flea
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6) Most favourite MSM Anti-Islamist Pundit
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7) Least Favourite Useful Idiot MSM Pundit
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8) Biggest Pro-Censorship Ass-Hat*
NB: *The Biggest Pro-Censorship Ass-Hat Category would have been won hands down by Lucy Warman, so we decided to share the love with other worthy contenders and exclude her.
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Hmm I should a done that;)
Astonishingly the Toronto Star did a great piece on how a mosque in Toronto was making irrational legal demands on UPS while slurring jews and infidels on their web site and presumably in sermons. The TS seems at one level to actually get it. So I tend not to think they are the pick for the useful idiot category.
http://vladtepesblog.com/?p=3169 is the Star piece and there was one other article where they came out in favor of free speech as well that I am aware of. Things are bad when even they get it.
Yes an Haroon Siddiqui wrote hi most moronic column to date over the issue.
I note the date... she's working hard on a fed holiday... probably charging double time and a half for working a holiday to monitor this "abomination of human rights".
Yes, we should give her A for effort, I expect a knock at my door shortly;)
r u nuts? Littlegreenfootballs.com owner and blogger is not a pro-censorship person AFAIK.
Well he has made some arbitrary bannings on very little evidence, so I put him in at the suggestion of readers to be fair;)
You know better than that. he was the first one to put Ezra's interrogation videos up on his website. come on man! this is not true...
Total crock putting Charles Johnson on that list. What the hell is wrong with you?
Wm T Sherman
"He was the first one to put Ezra's interrogation videos up on his website. come on man! this is not true..."
Well Winston I'll guess it's because the whole Gates of Vienna thingy.
Charles knows there's something wrong with the way "the west" is going but thinks stopping immigration to solve the problem is bad. So he's 1/2 way there no matter how you look at LGF.
He will say the censorship is bad but if you don't want people comming in the country who think blasphemy is a crime what's charles reaction? Not to stop them, he thinks they are bad in Holland for wanting to stop immigration.
It's like my wife if there's a problem with something she wants to talk about it if she tells me there's something wrong I try to fix it.
Now she says first off I don't want you to do anything but....
Because I like to fix things.
Did I Have Ezras videos up before LGF? HMMMMMMM,
Charles has done more for the cause of freedom and Conservatism than any one else on the blogosphere. Again, I don't mind you having disagreements with him. It's your business not mine but putting his blog name next to those terrorists in that category is shameful and an insult to any one intelligence. Please review your decision. Thanks
OK i read that article and yes moronic is a good way to describe it. I guess I have to remember logic was a Greek thing. But the Star did at least do the article which this idiot did an op ed on so that's something. Clearly they realize that once the HRC's have silenced the rest of us they are next.
Winston lighten up;) Charles will not even come close to winning.
cat, i m lightened up but i think it is still unfair to put him there. not a good move on your part IMO. have a good day
Winston really I am agnostic on the whole issue, but it just goes to show you can't go thru life without offending someone sometime.
Charles Johnson is KING of all ass-hat censors. I'm going to link this at anti-LGF sites and try to ensure victory for Dear Leader.
I guess Winston never disagreed with the lizard king.
Just a test... go over and post a comment that is pro ID, or pro Robert Spencer, or pro Atlas Shrugs.
See how far it will get you.
He likened creationist to jihadis and Robert Spencer to a fascist apoligist. He banned people that gave the negative comments against Robert a "minus" on his little rating system and banned people that gave the positive comments about Robert a "plus". He has banned people for commenting on blogs that said negative things about him, even if that commenter took up for him.
I never believed it when the left called Charles a little green nazi, but he is trying his best to become one.
He must be off of his meds. Or needs to go on some.
Ever since CJ got onto evolution, he's been banning anyone who disagrees with him (and deleting all their comments), even those who have been LGF members since 2003 or before.
There's a reason he's in second-place with 39%.
Winston why do you support Charles so much? It seems that Avid Editor is defending you over at http://littlegreenfootballs2.com/2008/11/17/the-most-pro-censorship-ass-hat-is-charles-johnson/
What is your connection to Avid Editor?
People have been banned by Chuckles for the most insane reasons, thus the name ass-hat for him is appropriate. I was banned by Charles, most all the people who post at Discarded Lies were banned by Charles, and all of them are decent folks who had simple disagreements with LGF. Whatever made Charles' site important enough for me to read daily has since been lost due to the banning and name-calling by Charles.
How does it work? We can vote more than once in all categories except the pro-censorship one?
Good question josephine.
Over to you blazing cat fur.
The name of this award would seem to indicate that it is obvious who ought to win it;
Infidel Bloggers Alliance!
Oh well, we're in fourth place as of now.
Jihad Watch kicks ass.
Thanks for including us.
Mark Steyn is kicking butt!
If CJ wins this poll he will no doubt, blame Ron Paulians.
Winston, a man who denigrates the work of Robert Spencer, Andrew Bostom, Diana West, Fjordman and Baron Bodissey is no ally in this war declared by Islam.
Banning people for no more than dinging up or down on his opinions is naked censorship.
Take up the challenge someone suggested above and go to LGF someday when CJ posts some of his so called "evidence" against Vlaams Belang and see what happens. You will be banned. And when that happens ask yourself what is the difference between CJ shutting down a dissenting POV and the CHRC charging M Steyn for his views.
I'll tell you why I don't think Charles Johnson belongs on this list: he has no power over me or my life.
If he bans me from his privately owned and privately run website, that's his right, whether I agree with him or not. He can't stop me from speaking my mind and he can't limit my freedom of association. All he can do is stop me from posting on his website, just as I can tell an unwelcome guest to leave my house and never come back.
Barbara Hall, on the other hand, scares the heck out of me because she does have power and she wants to use it to increase the power of the "human rights" groups. The CHRC scares the heck out of me because... well, just read Ezra Levant or Mark Steyn.
Putting an American blogger in with Canadian politicians and bureaucrats is, to me, like mixing apples and oranges.
(No offense to the folks who compiled the list.)
Might I suggest people check out WeaselZippers.net. He is one heck of a nice guy, but he gives no quarter. lol If you read something and you feel like dropping an f-bomb or two, that is the sight for you. Check it out!
I get what you're saying Josephine, but the category is biggest pro-censorship asshat. Charles belongs in this category.
What impact will this award have on CHRC?
What impact would it have on LGF? Maybe Charles will realize how he has been acting, and how it looks to people who are serious about the counter jihad. Maybe some of his commenters will grow a pair and stop the sniveling "please don't ban me" bootlicking.
I doubt it, but I still voted for him.
::marcy::
Vote as often as you wish except for the last category, thanks all.
I used to laugh when people would call LGF an "echo chamber."
But that was back before Charles started banning anyone and everyone who dared disagree with any of his pet positions.
I suspect that man needs to get laid in the worst way, he's turned into such an uptight drama queen.
Johnson used to have a moderately liberal blog. Then came 9/11. He saw an opportunity and took it. He brought in conservatives, but when they started going against his worldview (Euro politics, evolution, et al) he began banning. Then he began banning people who stuck up for the banned. Then he slammed the people he banned when he knew they couldn't respond on his blog.
Does Johnson censor? Sure he does. Look at any of the comments sections in his blog. Almost every one of the sections has at least one "deleted" post.
Does he have the right to censor? Well it is his blog. At the same time, if all he wants is an echo chamber (which is what he's built), then he should have said so from the beginning. Used to be he'd leave a flag banner on Veteran's Day and slam Google for not recognizing the day. This past holiday, Google finally did it. What did Charles post? One blurb and that's it.
My, how times have changed.
CONGRATULATIONS to ALL the nominees, good luck! Great choices here, please keep up the great work!
absurd thought -
God of the Universe hates
infidel bloggers
getting truth out makes Him mad
keep the people in the dark
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Of course, an Islamic World Does NOT Mean Peace either because once there is an Islamic state, or if there ever is Worldwide Sharia Law the "bombings, killings and mayhem " will only continue as the various sects of Islam battle it out for supremacy or equal rights, until the end of time...
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absurd thought -
God of the Universe likes
one sect of Islam better
just they should be in control
force other sects to convert
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absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
FORCE everyone to fast
Muslims must not be tempted
by seeing infidels eat
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absurd thought -
God of the Universe wants
all planets Islamic
Earth is one of many
in process of conversion
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absurd thought -
God of the Universe wants
many Taliban planets
stonings and beheadings
billions served daily
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absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
allow Islamic conquest
enjoy the dhimmi life
of second class citizens
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All real freedom starts with freedom of speech. If there is no freedom of speech there can be no real freedom.
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I like the list. Why is Pamela Geller/Atlas Shrugs missing from Category 4? I'm rooting for Debbie there, and Spencer in Category 3.
I like the list. Why is Pamela Geller/Atlas Shrugs missing from Category 4? I'm rooting for Debbie there, and Spencer in Category 3.
Yeh, I got banned from LGF, and my (mild) comment defending Robert Spencer was deleted. So I've deleted LGF from my favourites and have never been back since.
Now, thanks to BCF, I can get yet more revenge!
And I was genuinely surprised (and gratified) to see that CJ is leading that particular category. Well done, Charles!
Josephine, having been on the receiving end of the rabid bigotry from Little Green Footballs, I can tell you this man has some power. He nearly pulverized and atomized the anti-Jihad movement in his witch hunt for various kinds of imaginary evils.
He's in the lead, and fully deserves it.
Oh. I think Gates of Vienna would deserve a listing somewhere, too. But then, there are many great blogs out there.
Reading some of the comments here, I imagine that LGF will be just as happy to win.
The gall of the man eh? Banning neo-nazis from using his site as a platform! The nerve!
Re Johnson, LGF and his war on those he slurred as "neo-nazis":-
At the start of CJ's attacks on the Counter-Jihad movement, VB and SD (Swedish Democrat Party), CJ relied on the 'evidence' of EXPO (Swedish org. dedicated to 'exposing' supposed 'neo-Nazis' in Sweden). EXPO's founder, Tobias Hubinette, stated:
"To feel, and even think that the White Race is inferior in every conceivable way, is natural with regards to its history and current actions. Let the Western countries of the White Race perish in blood and suffering! Long live the multicultural, racially mixed and classless, ecological society. Long live anarchy!"
EXPO's sister organization, Searchlight Magazine, is pro-Moslem, anti-Israel, its founders are members of the British Communist Pary, SM actively supported "AFA" (Anti-Fascist Action which is a militant body responsible for attacks on individuals, public transport (last week's attack on French railway system) and genuine anti-islamization groups) and Searchlight also supported the IRA during its bombing campaign in Britain and NI which resulted in scores of people tortured and murdered.
As Johnson himself would say: "Nice people you mix with!"
AtlanticJim said...
Reading some of the comments here, I imagine that LGF will be just as happy to win.
The gall of the man eh? Banning neo-nazis from using his site as a platform! The nerve!
Jim ~
I was banned from his site in absentia months after I stopped posting therein May ~ Why? Cause I had the temerity to link to someone he did not like on my OWN BLOG.
I am the one who did all the heavy research on the "neo nazis" last year which he later linked to at LGF
I did this research because I did not believe him when he made his initial posts, I did not like the personal attacks on Atlas, and the evidence he presented was easily refuted and I had to know for myself wtf
http://babbazeesbrain.blogspot.com/search/label/linked%20at%20LGF
he has not deleted those LGF posts but I am told he has deleted all my comments (there were more than 50K of them, I was there a long time)
I have never said a bad public word about him - this is the first time I am even publicly saying anything about it - but he spent plenty of time commenting and blogging total bullshit about me - and occasionally still does. Why he feel I am important enough to attack is beyond me but go for it, Chazzy. I could care less. No good deed goes unpunished there.
So....
he is not some big righteous hero just banning "Neo-Nazis" and "Fascists" from his site, he bans people who wont personally condemn anyone he perceives as an "enemy" etc
(BTW, "fascists" are now whoever he SAYS are fascists, does not have to be truth)
He is actively banning anyone who vocally believes in the God of Abraham and has the temerity to say so and also anyone who dares speak to anyone he does not "like"
....not so freakin heroic and righteous, nu?
Anyway he richly deserves this nomination at this point. He worked very hard for it, you fascist creationist idiotic God mouth loon. (there's a little taste of LGF for you)
BZ
Oh and I vote for myself naturally
LOL
I happen to believe Charles is correct about VB- based on BabbaZee's voluminous research. And no doubt he has banned a few neo-Nazis along the way. But whatever you think about VB or "Euro-fascists", Charles richly deserves this award.
I was banned for politely disagreeing with Charles about the contents of a deleted comment. He said it was deleted because it contained a certain quote- I knew it did not because I saw the comment when it was first posted.
Apparently many others also believed their own eyes, it was quite the kerfluffle in lizardland that day (May 14). So much so that Charles was forced to "restore" the deleted comment over 12 hours later, altered to include the material that was never there in the first place. Orwellian doesn't even cover it- these are the acts of a demented petty dictator.
BabbaZee, EC Marm, Song and Dance Man, Mama Winger, these are Just a few of the longtime posters with tens of thousands of comments recently banned for things like asking the wrong question, failing to denounce someone when told to or linking the wrong blog in their blogroll. Not a neo-Nazi in the bunch.
It's really too bad, LGF was a great blog and an even better community before it all went bad.
Lets not forget Ed the weatherman....banned from lgf for an imaginary "meltdown". CJ deserves this. Love you Babbazee
Lets not forget Ed the weatherman....banned from lgf for an imaginary "meltdown". CJ deserves this. Love you Babbazee
Go CJ Go!
Charles Johnson doesn't censor?
LOL
Way back in the day (pre-registration) Chuckles blocked all AOL users from his site. He couldn't block individual users so he just banned the lot.
Don't forget LanceKates had posted for years before having the nerve to question Charles' thread topics at the beginning of the evolution/id/creationist instigating.
The terrible, awful comment that got him banned?
“Two in a day, eh?”
And the guy that called Charles the worst thing you could call a human being- an average programmer.
Chuckles didn't like that at all. He's thin skinned for a lizard.
I wsap banned from LGF for the following post on an open registration thread:
"Yay! More people for Charles to ban!"
"banned from LGF for the following post on an open registration thread:
"Yay! More people for Charles to ban!" ~ "
now THAT
is hysterical.
LOL!
By the way, did anyone ever see this?
"Robert, can you answer one simple question for me. This would help a lot in deciding what is really going on here. Which European political parties do you UNCONDITIONALLY condemn because of their proven ties to racist nationalism?" (Walter L. Newton email to Robert Spencer sent on Friday, November 07, 2008 1:16 PM)
And his answer...
"Actually, I am fighting jihad, and have no interest in or intention to investigate these groups. Insofar as they are fighting jihad, I applaud them. Insofar as they are doing anything else, my endorsement is not implied." (Robert Spencer email answer to Walter L. Newton sent on Sat 11/8/2008 10:39 AM)
Oops. Wrong answer, huh Robert.
Charles is on the list because he bans anyone who even partially disagrees with him and his little "group-think" followers. He has a post on LGF now saying he's on here because he speaks out against Euro fascists. Um... No. Maybe that is part of it, but not the whole story.
Take my banning for example. On his creationist/ID thing, I said that allowing students to publicly question what is accepted science is not a bad thing. The day after you ban the questioning of evolution is the day you ban the questioning of global warming. It all goes down hill from there. Charles himself labeled me a "shill" for the Discovery Instituted. Yeah, I registered at LGF four years ago just in case he started going after DI some day. When I brought up how ridiculous the idea was, my comment was deleted and I was banned.
So THAT's why you are on here, Charles. It has nothing to do with your Euro fascist paranoia. It's your insistence on banning anyone who has the guts to disagree with you and the brains to back it up. Charles doesn't like to be proved wrong. He's turned into a mirror image of KOS.
ArcherB
Anyone that would give people the option to vote up or down on posts. then threaten to ban them for votes he disagreed with is classic censorship, sneaky, and downright thuggish.
Charles is now crying about this poll on his blog.
Don't be such a creep Charles.
Charles Johnson? Censorship?
You're mad. How many years did Gordon post there? Charles has let people who disagreed with him post there for YEARS.
How long would this website stand a "Gordon?"
Charles Johnson didn't even have the scro to respond back to me after I asked him why he banned me.
Oh sure, I think I know why. I made fun of the guy who shares his first name, Chuck D, prophet of the ape.
Differing views need not post. LGF has a trigger ban.
Good job Chaz boy, you turned your site into an anti-religion bigot-fest.
I see some deleted posts in THIS BLOG and you complained about Charles Johnson deleting posts in LGF?
Perhaps, you wanted to introduce the pot to the kettle?
Whatever credibility this site EVER had is now gone with calling Charles Johnson "pro censorship". YOU GUYS NEED TO LOOK UP CENSORSHIP in the dictionary.
Rob. Please point these deleted posts out, I suspect it is either an individual poster deleting their own or perhaps even myself having that has deleted one of my own posts - even I get embarrassed at my own poor spelling when I rush to post a comment, other than that I have not deleted any.
For the record I agree it is Charles right to delete anything he wishes from his blog - that is an infringement of no ones rights. Personally I have never been a follower of LGF so was unaware of the degree of frustration and anger he has generated by his decisions of late.
However the people spoke so I accomodated them and included CJ in the category.
LGF....lost its way over 24/7 anti-creationism and the removal of my much used Jihad Watch link, over what I'm still not sure.
And to clarify, its not that CJ doesn't have the right to ban people. STRAWMAN. Of course he does. Its his site.
Its just that he's pathetically incapable of defending his views or articulating them clearly without resorting to the ban.
Sorry to break it to you Johnson, but T.O. isn't a reliable nor authoritative source. The damn thing is a Wonka factory for cliches.
But keep popping those everlasting godstoppers in your mouth.
Anon I am a Cat, I care not at all for your concerns regarding my credibility.
Anon said "LGF....lost its way over 24/7 anti-creationism and the removal of my much used Jihad Watch link, over what I'm still not sure."
Well, I posted this above, maybe you didn't see it. Here's one reason...
"Robert, can you answer one simple question for me. This would help a lot in deciding what is really going on here. Which European political parties do you UNCONDITIONALLY condemn because of their proven ties to racist nationalism?" (Walter L. Newton email to Robert Spencer sent on Friday, November 07, 2008 1:16 PM)
And his answer...
"Actually, I am fighting jihad, and have no interest in or intention to investigate these groups. Insofar as they are fighting jihad, I applaud them. Insofar as they are doing anything else, my endorsement is not implied." (Robert Spencer email answer to Walter L. Newton sent on Sat 11/8/2008 10:39 AM)
Oops. Wrong answer, huh Robert.
Johnson is back sliding. He was a lib until 9/11 and he's returning to his roots. I enjoyed LGF while it was a right of center blog, but not so much now.
"Charles knows there's something wrong with the way "the west" is going but thinks stopping immigration to solve the problem is bad."
Well, that's the biggest lie I've seen since Obama said Bill Ayers was just a guy in the neighborhood.
How about fascism is bad regardless if it is Islamo-fascism or the regular euro grown variety? And that condoning fascism makes you a less then worthy person. Robert Spencer tries to walk a line where he thinks he can welcome the anti-jihad activities of groups with neo-nazi roots without implying overall support of such groups. I don't think that's possible and I suspect Charles doesn't either.
But mostly what I see here is people who got banned by Charles obsessed with some sort of vengeance. Sheesh...get a life.
I've been banned from LGF too due to extreme paranoia by the Dear Leader. CJ is a post 9/11 lib/dem trying to disguise himself as a RINO using his tightly controlled site to convince the TRUE conservative/repubs to move to the center. It's an internal coup. And anyone who doesn't agree with the missing link of evolution is quickly met with bitter disdain and personal attacks, "idiot" being one of the favored immature responses from both he AND his minions. So much for "respectful dialog and debate". Bootlicking? They need to mop the floor daily with all of the salivating going on over there. Conservatives beware.
Those that pointed out that bloggers are free to ban whoever they wish are correct. It's their blog, they may do as they wish. Only governments can censor, by definition. However, when you ridicule and ban differing ideas for no other reason than they are different, you are not acting as a censor, but a bigot.
No one likes a forum filled with "me-too" comments. No one likes a forum that ridicules people who have different ideas on an issue or two, especially when they are allied on every other issue. For that matter, no one likes a forum that resorts to ridicule at all.
The whole point of the Internet Forum is a free exchange of ideas. When new or different ideas are banned, the whole system falls apart and you end up with an echo chamber. We learn nothing when we limit ourselves to opinions that mirror our own.
ArcherB
Walter keeps posting the same bit of an email exchange between himself and Robert Spencer but neglects to include the other emails.
Robert Spencer wrote this on Jihad Watch ("Charles Johnson Hits Bottom, Digs Part 2"):
"Anyway, if determining VB’s true nature requires investigation, why did I tell this Walter L. Newton that I wasn’t going to investigate? Actually, I had just told him in a previous email that I was still looking into this matter – which the LGF commenters, true to form, took as a contradiction. It was only a statement of priority. I am going to keep fighting jihad. I will never make common cause with neofascists. I am going to continue examining the situation in Europe in general, and VB, and sifting the evidence. But I am not going to turn Jihad Watch, as Charles Johnson has turned LGF, into a site devoted almost entirely to this question – and certainly not into the witch-hunting hatefest that LGF has become.
"But yes, I am going to continue to monitor the situation in Europe. In fact, as far as Vlaams Belang goes, I asked a Dutch speaker to examine the video Charles Johnson posted, of VB leader Filip Dewinter supposedly visiting a neofascist book fair. This is the information he sent me:"
I think Chuckles the Dancing Clown is either suffering a mental illness, or more likely, it a user of crystal meth, and the paranoia about Nazis under every bed is what is driving the hysteria.
I don't even look there anymore, unless someone calls my attention to something. There is a poster with several LGF sockpuppets who feels the need to see who the freshest bannee is. Most, I don't even remember, but to hear 'Song and Dance Man' is banned, well, Chuckles is a hurting puppy.
BTW, Nodrog seems to have an extensive archive on Chuckles and the banned. Still not convinced Nodrog isn't Chuckles' doppelganger, one of his alternate personalities, like Norman Bates' mother, who likes to torment him.
Charles Johnson is an ass-hat. There is no debating it.
This poll is currently the top story over at LGF. After spending considerable time and space talking about how he has been negatively voted on, Charles left this post in the thread:
"Some of those people posting comments over there seem to think it's their way to speak directly to me, and let me know how much they still hate me. What a sad way to live, so totally hung up on one person's opinion of you."
Define "irony."
I was informed that "Walter L. Newton" is here spreading his story about this allegedly "smoking gun" comment of mine.
Characteristic of the witch-hunt mindset that pervades LGF these days, Newton has ignored my explanation of the comment here:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/023447.php
It's a long post, but search for "Newton" and you will find the pertinent material.
While Newton and others have repeatedly invoked my statement as somehow meaning that I would be indifferent to neo-Nazi activity, it was nothing of the kind. I would never work with neofascists or neo-Nazis or white supremacists, and would never endorse them.
What I was saying to Newton was that I am going to keep fighting jihad. I will never make common cause with neofascists. I am going to continue examining the situation in Europe in general, and VB, and sifting the evidence. But I am not going to turn Jihad Watch, as Charles Johnson has turned LGF, into a site devoted almost entirely to this question – and certainly not into the witch-hunting hatefest that LGF has become.
And evidence of this witch-hunting is in Newton's comment above.
Newton leaves out the fact that I have repeatedly and unequivocally condemned the BNP, LePen, and Haider's group in Austria -- precisely because of their racial policies. He ignores the fact that I have repeatedly and unequivocally condemned neofascism, neo-Nazism, and race-based approaches to the jihad resistance.
And while ignoring all this, he pretends that the statement I made to him in an email, isolated from everything else I said to him, somehow means that I am a crypto-fascist.
Walter Newton, Charles Johnson, and others at LGF are libeling me, repeatedly and enthusiastically, and attempting to destroy my reputation on false pretenses. Fair-minded readers should be on notice that what they read about me at LGF is just that, libel, and caveat emptor.
Cordially
Robert Spencer
So, Charles is whining about being called on censorship. Tough luck.
What he does is classical censorship. Bullying people for dissent, accusing friend and foes for all kinds of fictious crimes, and shutting down every voice on his blog that has the audacity to tell Charles that he just might be, ehm, wrong.
What's non-classical is that it isn't a state doing so. But the mechanism is essentially the same scare tactics as those employed by the Soviet Union and similar regimes against dissenters. They are effective, until a point.
The only thing that makes CJ more than an irrelevant bully is that he used to be a trusted and appreciated part of the blogger community. He fell out from that, but still blames others for it. The sense of betrayal in his various targets is not easily undone.
But then, the world moves on. We don't need LGF any longer. There are now many fine blogs out there, who endorse intelligent commentary and analysis. You won't find that at LGF, which is one reason traffic to that site is sliding fast.
At the moment, it seems JihadWatch is in a position to beat LGF for traffic. A natural, for JW beat LGF for usefulness ages ago.
This was his LAST email to me...
"Actually, I am fighting jihad, and have no interest in or intention to investigate these groups. Insofar as they are fighting jihad, I applaud them. Insofar as they are doing anything else, my endorsement is not implied." (Robert Spencer email answer to Walter L. Newton sent on Sat 11/8/2008 10:39 AM)
Any intent he claims to have HAD in looking into VB and other European nationalist group was superseded by the LAST statement he made to me above.
If he has changed his mind, he can email me and let me know.
CJ:
Some of those people posting comments over there seem to think it's their way to speak directly to me.
What other ways exists? Registered users of LGF get banned for trying that. Those who try by email, like Andrew Bostom, get blasted all over by Charles. The only way to reach Charles with a critical voice (like, telling him that his understanding of fascim is superficial), is to leave public comments in relevant blog threads.
Walter, rather than attempting to smear our #1 fighter against Jihad, I suggest you do some investigation about the Vlaams Belang, to understand that every relevant piece of 'evidence' presented by your Dear Charles has been commented on in detail at Center for Vigilant Freedom. Charles never admitted even the most blatant mistakes he maded.
Time to move on. We have a Jihad movement to deal with.
Walter, that's the third time in this thread. Give it a rest, will ya? Repeating only part of a conversation, and using it to build a false case, is not fair or intelligent.
An exchange of emails should be taken in aggregate. You can take one statement from just about anyone and make it seem like something else.
Honestly, LGF style of anti-Islamofascism is the cleanest, purest form there is. No alliances with racists or euro-fascists, no anti-intellectual Creationists.
I find myself very much in the same position as Charles. I have come to the conclusion that large swaths of the Muslim world are anti-science, anti-logic, and must be reformed. But I won't align myself with others that are anti-logic or anti-science just to defeat them. It truly makes no sense. If anyone accuses me of being a liberal in disguise, it just shows how truly little you know of the strong conservative intellectual movement out there. Not everyone has to be a bible-thumping, gay hating, pro-life, fossil denying Christian to be a "conservative".
Walter Newton's continued insistence on taking that one statement in isolation from everything else I said, and his attempt to convince people that this was some sort of "the mask slips" moment that retracted or gave the lie to everything I have written in defense of Constitutional law, non-establishment, and human rights, is further evidence of his bad will and bad faith.
He wonders why I didn't write back to him? This is why: there is no use discussing matters with someone who is not interested in getting to the truth or giving you a fair hearing but is only trying to trap you. Newton's behavior in this thread is further evidence of the fact that it would have been useless to discuss matters with him further.
One problem Johnson and his followers have is that they are trying to prove that people are secret fascists. Ultimately it's impossible to defend yourself against a charge like this, because all protestations to the contrary are dismissed as lies. The LGFers and Newton's determination to ignore my rejections of race supremacism and the jihad, and all I've written about this subject, in favor of a tendentious reading of two sentences from an email, is indication that he is hunting for Nazis under the bed and not interested in serious discussion.
In reality, I'm trying to defend the freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and equality of rights under the law from Sharia supremacism. Strange and counterproductive behavior if I am the crypto-fascist of Newton's libels, because if I were, I wouldn't believe in any of those things.
"Ah, but that's just it, you see?? He's trying to make us believe he's defending those things while secretly he's against them!!!" Whatever, Mr. Newton. Rave on.
Cordially
Robert Spencer
Cordially
"no anti-intellectual Creationists"
Okee dokee then, right-o.
BTW, Achtung:
I R 2 stoopid to run mah blog
so no one should vote for me.
Thank Yew
/
Why isn't Blog Talk Radio on a poll for one that likes to censor Patriots? There haven been so many Nobamas censored on that platform!
No Compromise Radio Politically Lynched by Blog Talk Radio!
http://gto7.wordpress.com/no-compromise-radio/
To the Anonymous that said:
Not everyone has to be a bible-thumping, gay hating, pro-life, fossil denying Christian to be a "conservative".
Nor do you need to be a close-minded bigot. You should try it sometime.
Those who believe that us Europeans are suffering some sinister extreme-right revival (Walter, for one) would do well in doing some reading on the subject, rather than running around trying to spread their prejudice to others. I wrote about the Mythical European "Far Right" a while ago in order to kill this stupid meme.
What we are suffering, unfortunately, is an European Union adopting fascist ideas, growing increasingly intolerant towards dissent, and implementing laws usable against dissenters. Czech Republic, Ireland and Belgium have some interesting cases on that. As for Denmark, well, the Union seeks authority over who gets to live in our country. We *hate* that, but the System is powerful. For anything in Europe that looks like fascism, I suggest googling 'EUSSR'.
Rule of Law, free markets, true democracy. This is what we want.
Charles is all pissed off about getting the pro-censorship vote. Of course, no one here could explain our reasons to him because every one of us has probably been banned from his site.
-ron
Those that pointed out that bloggers are free to ban whoever they wish are correct. It's their blog, they may do as they wish. Only governments can censor, by definition. However, when you ridicule and ban differing ideas for no other reason than they are different, you are not acting as a censor, but a bigot.
ArcherB
November 18, 2008 12:30 PM
A censor does not have to be a government official. Dictionary meaning #2- "any person who supervises the manners or morality of others".
No one has suggested that CJ does not have the right to censor people on his own blog.. it is still censorship.
"I R 2 stoopid to run mah blog
so no one should vote for me."
You are correct, however, I cannot spell Johnson, so I'll have give you my vote anyway.
Charles chooses to not let his site get taken over by crazies.
It is moderated, not censored.
Walter L. Newton, if that is your "smoking gun" that Robert is a fascist supporter you are as nuts as Johnson.
Q-Burn:
Censorship: is the control of speech and other forms of human expression. In many (but not all) cases, it is exercised by governing bodies. The visible motive of censorship is often to stabilize or improve the society that the government would have control over.
I stand corrected.
Buck:
Banning people for abuse, foul language or whatever is fine. Banning people because of their ideas is not.
Unless, you think that all those that disagree are "crazies".
Now come on, the result here is not a foregone conclusion. Many congratulations to the winner whoever it is.
I only hope that when he gets it back to California he doesn't let some clumsy little lickspittle like Killgore try and polish it for him. Ham fisted little clot knocked the bed wetting trophies all over the place last time.
Bweep
....mama, we're all crazy now
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_uzFgzoDdU
The WORST BLOG, with a hair trigger censorship function is The Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler. (www.nicedoggie.net) Gatekeepers B.C. and JackBoot will toss you for ANY disagreement from their "truths".Truly closed monded and afraid of any competing viewpoints.
Charles chooses to not let his site get taken over by crazies.
It is moderated, not censored.
Buck
November 18, 2008 1:19 PM
Buck? Check the site, CJ states clearly in every thread that comments are not moderated.
buck - a few people have left comments saying that the rest of us should read up the dictionary definition of "censor". This seemed like a good idea. This is what I came up with:
cen·sor (sÄ›n'sÉ™r)
n.
1. A person authorized to examine books, films, or other material and to remove or suppress what is considered morally, politically, or otherwise objectionable.
Now some censorship is obviously fine. I'm perfectly OK with censoring child pornography for example. But to say CJ doesn't censor, just "moderates" falls under the dictionary definition of "weaseling"
intr.v. wea·seled also wea·selled, wea·sel·ing also wea·sel·ling, wea·sels also wea·sels
To be evasive; equivocate.
Phrasal Verb(s):
weasel out Informal To back out of a situation or commitment in a sneaky or cowardly manner.
This is a very (bad) joke. Virtually everyone here who is criticizing Charles Johnson is someone who has been banned from his site - almost always because they made nasty personal attacks against him or linked to personal attacks against him (and then commented on the linked to site "way to go" or somesuch). As long as you disagree with him in a civilized manner and don't support the neo-nazi's or fascists, or the loons who actually believe, all evidence to the contrary notwithstanding, that the earth and indeed the Universe was created 6-10,000 years ago you have no problems with CJ. Well, of course, except for those "cordial" folks who post nice things about LGF on LGF and then go to other blogs and trash CJ - thinking here of Ed the Weatherguy.
IF you sincerely think that Charles Johnson is NOT CONTRA JIHADIST then you are just stupid.
Cordially,
realwest
Realwest
What you write there is just not true anymore, sorry.
I never said a bad word about the man.
NEVER!
I even go so far as to enforce a code of OYMERTA on my site, which you are aware of.
(OYMERTA: a Sicilian Jewish command to STFU)
IOW I do not let people gossip about other people or blogs on my site, I hate that crap and everyone knows it.
I think your zealous loyalty to Charles is a tad misplaced at this point, empirical evidence to the contrary of your statement is just overwhelming
He earned this nomination clean.
Realwest, I have never been banned from LGF. For the simple reason that I didn't like the site enough to hang out for an account.
Yet, many good friends of mine - Fjordman for one - have been vilified and banned for even the tiniest 'offense' (which, of course, is not 'tiny' in the eye of the CJ beholder), and lots of them. Having been banned from LGF is now being displayed as a badge of honour on several fine blogs.
As long as you join CJ in his condemnation of anyone he deems a 'neo-fascist' (or a 'secret neo-fascist sympathiser'), or do not condemn various European political parties on leftie 'evidence', or do not condemn creationists, or do not condemn Bostom, Spencer and other 'suspected fascist sympathisers', or have the audacity to voice doubt about the wisdom of CJ, you are fine with him. Sure thing...
The rest of us hate witchhunts. Which is why we speak out against them.
Enough ranting. Time to do something useful...
realwest- the poll didn't ask "who was least contro jihadist" it asked who was the "biggest pro-censorship asshat"
Your very own argument, where you list all the criteria of goodthink which a person must subscribe to in order to post on CJ's blog proves my point.
Many people have been chucked from his blog because Charles simply disagreed. Not for rudeness, or crudity, but for "stupidity". Which apparently means "anything Charles disagrees with".
It's his blog, he can do what he wants with it. But spare us the whining about being pro-censorship, because that's precisely what you are.
The shoe fits, wear it.
OK, so putting CJ into the censhorship asshat category, meant I imagine as a bit of lark, not intending to derail the proper focus of these awards, has lead us away from a serious problem: government punishment of so-called "hate speech" that fails to pass the smell test of kangaroo courts staffed by politicized "judges" working with a horrible piece of legislation.
I understand how people who have invested a lot of time and energy in LGF feel betrayed by a guy who bans instead of making arguments. But at the end of the day, he's just a blogger, not a government agent with the power to order you to stop discussing a topic, an order that can be registered in a real court and when contravened punished as contempt of court, with jail time and substantial fines.
Let's get our priorities straight: don't vote for CJ if you haven't already.
As for those sorely pissed with him, time to just walk away. That would be the humane thing to do.
I wasn't banned by Charles, I'm a lurker on most sites; I pass along links to a bunch of friends. I used to read Charles daily, with relish, but not anymore.
He is just angry and lashing out at people all the time. He doesn't further any conversation -- just shuts it down if he disagrees with the direction.
Having found Charles after 9/11 I had no idea he was a liberal. Now it kind of rings true with the current direction of his blog. His anti-religion posts have nearly stopped my daily visits and I'm not even very religous and certainly not anti-evolution. There is only so much venom I can watch being spewed.
Maybe he might read this and do some re-thinking. Probably not. He is in danger of becoming a blogging Keith Olberman -- a lot of bluster and not a lot of sense.
Since I'm not registered on his site, I'll just pre-emptively ban myself.
realwest:
You say "As long as you disagree with him in a civilized manner and don't support the neo-nazi's or fascists..." then all will be well with Charles Johnson.
Not true. I don't support any neo-Nazis or fascists. I linked to two sites he claims are neofascist. I doubt his characterization of them. I haven't endorsed any political party, European or American, and will not ever do so. I have no interest in reading LGF ever again, much less commenting there, so I don't know whether or not I've been banned, and it is a matter of indifference to me.
What I do know is that Charles Johnson and many others there have repeatedly libeled me with charges that I am a cryptofascist and much more, including all their villains du jour -- I've even been charged there with being a "shill of the Discovery Institute and open supporter of Putin's Russia."
In reality, I never heard of the Discovery Institute before Charles Johnson began attacking it, and I am not a creationist. Nor do I support Putin's Russia, and have repeatedly criticized it at Jihad Watch.
Censorship, non-censorship, banning, non-banning -- I couldn't care less. What I care about is that Charles Johnson is defaming me and other people, and allowing others to do so, and that ought to be enough in itself to place him beneath contempt.
Cordially
Robert Spencer
huzzah
It's entirely possible to be a contra-jihadist AND a pro-censorship asshat at the same time. CJ proves it every day.
Here come the Charles Johnson Cultists!
Please!! Tell me why you read his site? Is it the obsession with the evils of creationism? Is the endless open threads? Is it the snazzy pics of bicycle spokes? Honestly, what is it?
Who cares?
You are doing such damage to the Anti-Jihad movement by allying with fascists and by defending them. You need every voice you can get, but not the fascists ones. You are getting those fascists around you, but pushing away so many others who are moderate or secular Muslims, normal Europeans or Americans who simply don't want to be called pro- Nazis. Why not say it and admit it loudly: YES, WE HAVE FASCISTS ALLIES! Why try to persuade the world that they are NOT? This only makes you seem stupid and like a pathetic ostrich.
CJ is keeping his blog clean; this is not censorship, this is called cleaning.
Have you ever thought how is it to run a blog that gets a few thousand comments daily? And to not give your enemies an excuse (like CARE) to file complaints and try to label you as "hate site" because some idiots left some stupid comments? Those complaining about "censorship" and not being able to post racist or hateful comments or threats on LGF, why not answer for your actions on your own blogs??
Each one thinks Charles should dedicate a separate time for him discussing his case and trying to understand why the angry banned boy left such a comment. Well, then wake up, I say! Be adults. Answer for your own words and actions. In an average day there are thousands of comments posted daily on LGF, when a few are deleted, this is called censorship???? What standards are you using exactly? You certainly have your own dictionary.
To post such an "award" about a fellow blogger who is hated by both jihadists and Nazis is just so sad. And it discredits and belittle the above awards you posted.
LGF = One Big Circle Jerk.
How many different ways can we agree with Charles??
BabbaZee
Good for you! You're too smart to be one of Charles' sycophants
"realwest", who claims his elderly father died on 9-11-2001 running into the WTC to save people might want to either change his internet nic or go away.
Many LLL types found it improbable, starting looking, and discovered nobody died at the WTC the way 'realwest' described. I assumed sour grapes for a long time myself, but, unless 'realwest' wants to recant his BS, or provide some kind of proof, I suggest he choose a new nic stop being a laughingstock.
Mr. Robert Spencer,
I read your articles on the fight against Jihad and how it's not a racial fight and I really liked them and I was a fan of your site and analysis. But I'm getting the feeling that you have decided to soften your attitude on the kind of allies one is allowed to have. Could not this lead to more compromises in the future? Charles didn't come up with the stuff he posted about VB, it's all over the web; it's documented. I'm so disheartened by your latests stand.
I really hope the same Robert Spencer who wrote those articles about Jihad, will take a clear stand and will not allow such allies in an inch from him.
Believe me, this means a lot to me and to many of your readers. You certainly know there are many x-Muslims among your crowed.
Babbazee and Robert Spencer take on Realwest. A real clash of the Titans. I've not seen anything like that since George Foreman and Joe Frazier took on a twelve year old bulimic girl at the MGM Grand Arena in '71.
Bweep
Charles dissembles with the following:
People banned from LGF for supporting fascists and/or being hostile obsessive jerks whine endlessly about being “censored” (with no sense of irony whatsoever) as the Infidel Blogger Awards nominates me for “Biggest Pro-Censorship Ass-Hat.” Apparently, speaking out against Eurofascists, and not letting the LGF comments pages turn into a racist cesspool makes me as bad as or worse than the Canadian Human Rights Commission and Mohammed Elmasry, in their strange little world of “anti-jihad” make believe.
Really? How about disagreeing with your personal Jihad against anyone that does not squawk like a mad parrot, "Evolution is a fact, evolution is a fact." Or characterizing anyone that doubts Evolutionary Theory as "Creationists." Not to mention your pharisaic attacks on anyone not measuring up to your standards of purity in fighting Jihadists...remember those guys?
O wait too busy attacking Christianity, all in the guise, wink, wink, of those darn "Creationists!" Your comment section now has the diversity of thought of a Madrasa.
You have gone out of your way to link Christian fundamentalists to the same kind of intollerance as Islamists...and well, the same kind of intollrance YOU are exhbiting. Enjoy your synchophants Killgore Trout and Sharmuta...the epitome of what is acceptable posting on LGF.
abu, Did you read Robert Spencer's comments above? He was unequivocal.
Jehu,
Please provide one single example of "Charles attacking Christianity"??
This is such a baseless accusation. Debunking Intelligent Design does not mean attacking Christianity or the Bible. I'd say, it means showing respect for the brain the Lord has given us.
Abu Lahab
I take it you disbelieve what I said above about not endorsing VB.
I really ally with them in secret, is that it?
In the real world, I am not in the business of endorsing political parties, and the Johnson/LGF claim that I have "embraced" VB is false.
And as for VB, plenty of sensible people don't find Johnson's evidence compelling. (An aside: does saying that make me a fascist? To many in the fever swamps of LGF, it does.) Are they all crypto-fascists? Why is a difference of judgment not allowed on this issue without leading Charles Johnson to damn you to hell and charge you with encouraging genocide?
Cordially
Robert Spencer
Here's a rerun for you Bweep
http://www.grapheine.com/classiktv/classiktv_play.php?id=35037
Anonymous,
I read them of course. And that what puzzles me more. His stand is so clear in words, then why is it becoming not that clear in practical terms. This is what I meant. There is a contradiction here from my point of view.
Mr. Spencer- You said "Censorship, non-censorship, banning, non-banning -- I couldn't care less. What I care about is that Charles Johnson is defaming me and other people, and allowing others to do so, and that ought to be enough in itself to place him beneath contempt.
Cordially
Robert Spencer"
Well Charles has mentioned that you have e-mailed him a series of progressingly "disagreeable" comments, NONE of which he made available to the LGF community. He kept it private until YOU went public on Jihad Watch. And even then CJ didn't disclose your e-mails nor even, iirc, summarize them the way you have at your site.
But the idea that CJ is being villified for censorship and that you then complain that he is ALLOWING others to defame you is really sort of striking. Of course, defamation is actionable and I would suggest, as I have to CJ, that where your names are both know, if someone is defaming someone there are legal remedies for such - but really, the issue here is whether or not CJ is Censoring (or I suppose overcensoring) his blog and I stand by what I said: the people doing the complaining are ALL people who have been banned from his blog. You've said that he is allowing people to defame you and I don't see how that's possible - how would anyone defame you without knowing what you've actually said. If you mean he's allowing people to say things that are made up out of wholecloth, perhaps THAT is something you should take up with him.
For the record:
Robert Spencer is in no way a "fascist sympathizer"
I did 6 months of research on the VB and on the rise and rebranding of "nationalist" parties worldwide since 9/11...
what I posted at my site on it last year is a fraction of the information I have.
There is zero to support a claim that he endorses VB or any political party anywhere in any way, there is zero out there to support the claim that he is a "fascist"
Mr. Spencer,
I'm not saying you are allying secretly with them.
But those evidence of their nature are not "evidence of Charles Johnson" as some are saying.
They were not invented by him, they simply do exist. They do have a shadow history and Europe did taste what Fascism means before, why even get close to parties who are found around that corner?
Whenever there is a talk about antisemitism in Belgium, their name comes in.
Just an example:
http://www.tau.ac.il/Anti-Semitism/asw2007/belgium.html
Realwest
Can we talk about your father who heroically died charging past police and firemen to rescue people from the WTC?
Wow, look what the cat dragged in....
Ironically, I agree with CJ regarding pretty much all of his opinions including the idiocy that is creationism and the uncompromising attitude to racism. I suspect that there is at least some truth in his Eurofascist bashing. His recent topics relating to Obama following the election were at time surprisingly classy and lacking in the vitriol that permeates politics, right and left. I was impressed.
But sadly, I have to agree that in the last year his hair-trigger bans, blogwars with so many people, and guilt-by-association-with-those-who-associate-with-someone-who-was-seen-20-years-ago-in-the-same-room-as-someone-else-who-linked-to-a-blogger-who-once-made-a-racist-comment, etc.... have been a disappointment.
I have yet to be banned at LGF, but truth be told it's probably because I have censored myself quite a few times when I questioned the usefulness of the bans and wars and all the accompanying back-and-forth.
And one more thing Mr. Spencer, I'm sure you understand that there is a very thin line between the racism thing and the anti-jihad one. It's difficult but necessary to take sometimes drastic and decisive measures to make it clear to everyone where exactly one stands.
Abu Lahab, I'm tired of seeing good European conservatives (we don't have too many of those, for sure!) being vilified as 'Euro-fascists', 'neo-Nazis' or whatever the smear de jour is. We have enough Antifa-nutheads screaming the same nonsense and really do not need our CounterJihad friends to go out on the same tangent.
I posted links to a stack of evidence on Vlaams Belang (and SverigesDemokraterne) above. I suggest you go review that before continuing your silly libel campaigns.
Thanks in advance.
BabbaZee "I never said a bad word about the man."
No? Did you not link to Bagdad Bob's site which had a particularly hateful and personal attack on Charles Johnson? And did you not make a comment of your own at Bagdad Bob's site along the lines of "way to go" - cheering, as it were, the attack on CJ?
Enough of this. You can complain about CJ's censorship and then proclaim OYMERTA at your site?!
BabbaZee "I never said a bad word about the man."
No? Did you not link to Bagdad Bob's site which had a particularly hateful and personal attack on Charles Johnson? And did you not make a comment of your own at Bagdad Bob's site along the lines of "way to go" - cheering, as it were, the attack on CJ?
Enough of this. You can complain about CJ's censorship and then proclaim OYMERTA at your site?!
One thing is certain: Robert Spencer will not ban you from Jihad Watch if you also post at LGF (and I've read a lot of lies about Robert and Jihad Watch on LGF lately).
But Charles Johnson will probably ban you from LGF if you also post at Jihad Watch.
Abu Lahab said...
Please provide one single example of "Charles attacking Christianity"??
It's not quite that blatant. Here is how it works:
A user says, "Evolution is not a complete theory and teachers should be allowed to mention where it is incomplete. However, I do not want the Bible or "Intelligent
Design" taught in school."
Charles and/or his minions reply like so:
"That's exactly what the "Discover Institute" says and since we have the "Wedge Doc", we know they lie. You claim to want the same thing they want so you must be lying too. You are repeating their talking points and therefor, you are a shill for DI."
or
"You need to keep religion out of the schools. The Bible has no place in science class!"
Even saying something as simple as, "I believe that God created the Heavens and the Earth" gets you labeled as some kind of "flat-Earther" or Bible-Thumper who denies the evidence as it hits you in the face.
Take a look at some of the earlier creationist threads (before all the "non-believers" were purged) for prime examples.
i'm just looking in as an outsider. Not affiliated w/ either of you 2 with the beef. But minimizing nazi's to further your 'anti jihad movement'? That's going in the wrong direction in my book.
Relawest
This is the hateful post I did for which I was banned
the offending article I linked to is under
Gagdad Bob: Proof of Proof is Proof of God
http://babbazeesbrain.blogspot.com/2008/07/missing-links-in-land-of-those-who.html
The nerve of me! How dare I!
Vicious!
I see that Robert Spencer leaves his site to talk/debate with other people. I would like to see Charles Johnson be brave enough leave his echo chamber to do the same, instead of relying on his lizards.
Realwest:
You say: "Well Charles has mentioned that you have e-mailed him a series of progressingly 'disagreeable' comments, NONE of which he made available to the LGF community. He kept it private until YOU went public on Jihad Watch. And even then CJ didn't disclose your e-mails nor even, iirc, summarize them the way you have at your site."
I was not aware that he had said this. My responses are several. Here goes:
Charles Johnson is lying, and he knows it. Our email exchanges were all friendly until he abruptly wrote me and asked me to remove the "Site built by LGF" banner from Jihad Watch.
My email response to this was entirely this: "Why? What happened?" Then I went over to LGF and saw that he was publicly announcing his "disappointment in me" and removal of Jihad Watch from his RSS feeds. After that I wrote him one more email. I have never published it before, but here it is: "I just posted about it at LGF. The assumption seems to be that anyone who is not convinced that these people are neofascist must himself be neofascist. I don't find that to be a reasonable view. What's more, what I said about Fjordman at JW was no different from what I wrote to you in an email a few weeks ago. I very deeply regret that things have come to this pass."
Disagreeable? What, was I goose-stepping as I wrote it?
If Charles Johnson is characterizing my emails in this fashion, he should be on notice: I still have them, and I will publish them, including one from April 2008 in which he said he had no objection to my continuing to publish Fjordman's articles. But I have not previously published them or "summarized" them anywhere.
You say: "Of course, defamation is actionable and I would suggest, as I have to CJ, that where your names are both know, if someone is defaming someone there are legal remedies for such..."
I am not going to sue Charles. I have better things to do. But defamation is defamation nevertheless.
You say: "If you mean he's allowing people to say things that are made up out of wholecloth, perhaps THAT is something you should take up with him."
Of course they're making up things out of whole cloth. So is Charles -- that claim that I was encouraging genocide because some idiot left a genocidal post on his site. After all the umbrage he has taken against people who blamed him for comments, it was bitterly ironic.
Cordially
Robert Spencer
I got banned because I left "One Cosmos" on MY blogroll and was described as a "supporter" of the blogs author. I have CNN available on my remote, does that make me a CNN supporter? Same twisted logic, which only the delusional have trouble seeing.
If I hadn't been banned for that, I would have been banned for speaking up on Robert Spencer's behalf, by now. Johnson deserves this reward, as the voting so clearly shows.
I'm not a creationist either, but I do enjoy the "stick in the eye" to the militant atheists that the I.D. folks are causing. I probably would have been banned for publicly expressing that thought, too.
LOL LGF's owner is seeing Nazis everywhere, if he starts taking pictures in the men's room he'll have reached the pinnicle of his psycosis just like that Canadian fella what's his name again? I use to enjoy reading that blog but in the past year it appears he's having some kind of mental meltdown, turning on friends with alligations of supporting Neo Nazis.
Robert is no Neo Nazi sympathizer, frankly what the pluck does these mysterious "Neo Nazis" look like? Every political party attracts a couple dozen fruitloops, it's odd that Charles can identify them in another continent but can't spot them in the US why is that?
LGF has been useless for over five years...just a bloody joke of a "blog".
Spencer on the other hand, remains a dedicated and talented researcher and anti-jihad warrior. What has Johnson produced? Has he written a book (Even a self-published graphomane exercise?)? Has he contributed to the fight against militant Islam, other than reprinting the work of others?
Charles is a zero, a cranky old mimeograph machine that cannot be repaired. Johnson is merely a high-tech, 21st century gossip...pretending to be of some value to humanity.
ArcherB:
Saying ""You need to keep religion out of the schools. The Bible has no place in science class!" does not mean attacking Christianity. I know many Christians who believe their beliefs should remain our of the classrooms. This is not a proof of anything.
I've read and was present during these discussions, Charles made it very clear that believing in evolution does not contradicts your belief in God. Sorry, but this is such a silly accusation. I have never seen a single case in which Charles mocked a poster because of his faith. He only criticized those who took the literal interpretation of some parts of the Bible and said we lived we dinosaurs before, while all scientific proofs say otherwise.
Please, answer my question if you can: Just provide with one quote of him "attacking Christianity" ??
No one "owns" Christianity to say that attacking him is an attack on Christianity.
Truly, as pointed out above by Michael, it's worth emphasizing the fact that Robert Spencer is out there, putting himself on the line, lecturing and publishing. His face is known to every lunatic jihadi if they choose to look for it, and his location easy to find based on where he is talking. Some of the videos I have seen of campuses where he has spoken made me worry about his safety. He is calm and eloquent and a pillar of the anti-Jihadi community.
Robert Spencer demonstrates courage and conviction and the principle of putting your money where your mouth is. Charles Johnson's declaration of war on him was probably the final straw for many people who had until then given Johnson the benefit of the doubt in the past tumultuous year.
Realwest,
You and Killlgore are ass kissers. Charles allows Hispanic bashing all the time at LGF. He does nothing about it. He allows Serb bashing and says nothing. But if you sayd Nuke Mecca, he will ban you. LGF2 will soon overtake LGF! ha ha!
Robert Spencer,
Thank you for linking to our site at Jihad Watch. You are the real deal, not Charles who's a washed up actor. Feel free to post at our site anytime!
I meant washed up rocker. He now is the Jim Jones/Charles Manson of the web!
@Michael,
"LGF has been useless for over five years...just a bloody joke of a "blog"."
Really? So it ranks among the top read blogs in the world because all these thousands are idiots? And you are the smart one judging his blog without having even one of your own to attack others and evaluate their work.
Jealously must really hurt.
Abu Lahab said...
Jehu,
Please provide one single example of "Charles attacking Christianity"??
This is such a baseless accusation. Debunking Intelligent Design does not mean attacking Christianity or the Bible. I'd say, it means showing respect for the brain the Lord has given us.
Sure like CJ will come right out and confess his hatred of fundmentalist Christianity and lose most of his synchphants in one fell swoop, many who profess to be Christians.
It is all guilt by association. First make loud noises about the Discovery Institute and their attempt to push ID in schools...O, How HORRIBLE! Why kids will next think the earth is flat and Obama really is the Messiah!
Paint all who disagree with a Orthodox view of Evolution as anti-science nuts, when evolutionists do not agree with themselves, and who make up fanciful theories such as "punctuated equilibrim" to explain away the fact that their number one confirming witness of evolution does not...EVER show graduated changes from species to species, but species all appear at once formed in total as is, but anyone that points this out is an idiot? Not to mention Behe et al are scientists, as well as many others who do NOT think evolution is proven.
But if you speak out forget about tenure. Much like LGF becomes a self-proving echo chamber, of course Charle's view of things is correct, since it is the only view discussed or allowed, and any contrary view is linked to the most ridiculous or obviously scientifically flawed viewpoint.
Yet when I repeatedly asked nobody on LGF could pose a mechanism on how symbiotioc relationships can form in nature without outside intelligent direction. Yesterday or the day before CJ posts someone's assesment that the GOP needs to move away from social conservative ideas, (read Christian ideals) and he was sympathetic with that viewpoint...just one more trial ballon by CJ. I know what he is and where he is going, at the end of that journey will be Killgore Trout, Charles and he can sing the same song openly. Nobody has all the answers, except CJ and his lickspittle posters.
@Rodan,
I wish you could back your false claims with proofs, but that's too much to ask for, I know.
What you call "Serbs bashing" is actually comment that criticized , for example, the burning of the US embassy in Belgrade when Kosovo independent was declared - too much to ask from an American to refuse the burning of his own embassy?
I find it funny that you take pride in your LGF2. Could not you come with an idea of your own?
Chuckles the Dancing Clown has already made it clear he has real issues with Bobby Jindal, because Jindal is Catholic and believes God has a role in creation.
Chuckles made it clear that Rudy was his preferred candidate, because he was both anti-jihad and pro-abortion.
Intelligent Design, a belief that evolution is generally correct, but was perhaps subtly guided by a Creator, while not scientifically provable, is also impossible to refute.
Charles may not attack Christians per se, but to insist one must believe there was no Divine role whatsoever in 'creation' and insist all posters agree, pretty much means no believers of any faith are particularly welcome on his site.
Charles Johnson should win this because he is tiresome and desperately needs to be mocked.
Of course LGF is his blog and he can do what he wants with it. Nothing could be more basic. But he really does want an echo chamber or some of the commenters there would not feel that it was so necessary to crawl up his ass to earn a few crumbs of praise and approbation.
One of these days, I'm going to have to go log on over there and disagree with His Majesty and get myself deleted.
CJ is comfortable using the fascist tactics of the Democratic Party against others because, deep down inside, he's still a Democrat.....and that's the only way he's capable of acting.
"Really? So it ranks among the top read blogs in the world because all these thousands are idiots? "
Yes I do, and you can include yourself in that group.
Just a few days ago CJ led a Bobby Jindahl witch hunt. Jindahl's crime is that he wrote a paper in college about participating in an exorcism, something that's rare but still part of Catholic doctrine. There was a 2-minute hate denouncing the Louisiana Governor as a fanatic who is unfit for public office. He does not pass the CJ religious purity test.
A loooong time poster called Cognito was banned for merely asking if Jindahl had mentioned the subject ever again since college. This kind of stuff goes on all the time.
Abu Lahab,
Those are some pretty big mouthfuls which epitomizes the absolutist attitude at LGF as if Charles is "all-knowing and wise", and if he says "it is so" than it must be so and correct...He is a bit a fascist himself in ruling out ALL dissent in matters of Creationism, as if HE (the all-knowing Messiah) was there at the beginning of time and he saw how it all went down. When he says things that RULE OUT any possible "alternatives" to his missing link evolution "theory" with insults and degradation, he IS insulting Christianity by proxy and he appears HIMSELF intolerant and just as radical as the people he feigns to rally against. NONE of us were there at the beginning of time, so NONE of us can definitively rule out what did or didn't happen, all we can do is have faith in either creationism or evolution. His faith in evolution is "shrouded" in the name of science which has YET to bring forth the necessary missing skeletal links to validate it as FACT. Yet he fails to bring THAT up. And while we're on the subject of his latest mockery of Creationism regarding the "Dragon Museum"...what of the FACTUALLY found and dated ancient cave drawings of dinosaurs?
http://www.genesispark.org/genpark/ancient/ancient.htm
Let me guess....those folks went out and collected bones and put them together and then drew pictures of them. If that is going to be your argument, you also have to explain how they derived what their "skin" would look like too. Hard to derive that from bones only. Somebody SOMEWHERE actually SAW these creatures. How do you think we have our modern knowledge of them? The bones were only one piece of the puzzle...the other pieces were the drawings from people who actually laid eyes on them and documented those sightings. Of course, if I brought this up on LGF, I would have been insulted, mocked, vilified and banned. How has Charles insulted Christianity?? It is in how he has created a hostile environment "towards" it that is insulting and intolerant "of" it. He has no authority to "rule out" anything, yet he seems to have deemed himself the expert on the matter.
@Jehu,
Those evolution threads were almost like battle grounds, they were not "echo chambers" , have a look at them and see for yourself.
I won't discuss with you the "attack on Christianity" thing anymore because you are making conclusions without any proof. A true Christian does not judge what is in people's heart like that, I believe so at least.
Christianity is not summarized in evolution, and no one has the right to accuse someone else of "attacking Christianity" because he does not agree with his views on ID.
Abu Lahab, if you care to visit Alexa and check things out, you'll find that traffic to LGF is in steady decline. As is, hopefully, the number of idiots in the blogosphere.
In fact, JihadWatch is set to pass LGF, traffic-wise, as we speak. Thanks to better leadership and better users.
Abu Lahab said...
"Saying ""You need to keep religion out of the schools. The Bible has no place in science class!" does not mean attacking Christianity. I know many Christians who believe their beliefs should remain our of the classrooms. This is not a proof of anything."
I agree with that, and did so way back when I was an LGF member. That was not the point. The point is that when you say, "Evolution is not complete", the response is, "Keep your ancient texts out of the science class!"
I have never said that I wanted the Bible taught in public schools, but I was ridiculed on the site as if I had. That was my point. LGF members have a hard time realizing that there is some sort of middle ground. You are either 100% for evolution or you are Young-Earth-Creationist who works for the Discovery Institute. There is nothing in between.
And while Charles says that evolution and religion are not mutually exclusive, you will be called a "shill", "piece of work" or outright "liar" if you do not follow the teachings of Charles. When you challenge it, you are banned.
You asked for me to "provide with one quote of him "attacking Christianity" ??"
As I am banned, I can not search comments. And while I doubt I would find anything so obvious, there are members who do just that, and it is perfectly acceptable to Charles as these members are not banned.
Here is the best I could on short notice without the aid of a search engine:
Sharmuta 11/18/08 10:15:31 am
"I mean- anti-abortionists, I could understand, but anti-evolutionists? They read the Bible and thought the best thing they could do is destroy science? That's a damn shame."
She's implying that reading the Bible makes people want to destroy Science. You could imply that reading the Bible makes you ignorant. She fails to understand that not all those that reject parts of evolutionary theory due so because of what they read in the Bible.
Karma police
Karma police, arrest this man
He talks in maths
He buzzes like a fridge
He's like a detuned radio
Karma police, arrest this girl
Her Hitler hairdo is
Making me feel ill
And we have crashed her party
Karma Police
I've given all I can
It's not enough
I've given all I can
But we're still on the payroll
This is what you'll get when you mess with us
And for a minute there, I lost myself
Jehu,
Here's another example. When Sara Palins daughter turned up pregnant, Charles had this to say;
"This comes right after James Dobson and other Christian conservatives enthusiastically endorsed McCain’s choice. It will be very interesting to see the reaction from that quarter."
Nothing blatant, but he's obviously got a pretty negative opinion as to what he expects a Christian Conservative's opinion to be.
Most of the people banned at LGF were banned because of some bad behavior at or associated with the blog. When they lay out why, they are usually only telling you half the story.
Ed was banned because he chose to play both sides in an anti lgf blog. For him to imply elsewise is wrong. his subsequent behavior reveals him to be mostly of just what he complains about. The things he doesn't like at LGF and the way he acts towards it are how he views himself.
Savage Nation brought his baning upon himself also, then has become a first class stalker.
Jeppo was just a troll. A nick self designed to distract threads.
And Jewel. Look at your comment again. Doesn't what you post seem rather snarky. It makes you look like a classic troll. What blog operator is going to want to give you two cents of their time.
Now. Delisting people from what they have on their blog roll seems like a losing proposition. Everyone likes to someone that someone else doesn't like.
Now. Robert Spencer seems to be well spoken and makes his points well. The angst against him at LGF does all seem to be angry echo chamber driven. It's painful to read some of the posters there about this who like to be well informed. Robert Newton is just the symptom of the type of witch hunting that has been created there.
The complaints in general against LGF here are mostly made up stuff with no basis in fact. People with pre conceived unchangeable ideas. Yes those people aren't going to be happy at LGF. Henrik Clausen is the example here.
I was banned on LGF during a discussion on a ID thread where I mentioned that you cannot be a Christian if you do not believe in the doctrine of Orginal Sin. In short sin came into the world through one man, therefor it can be removed by one man (Christ). A orthodox belief in evolution precludes your belief in the doctrine of orginal sin. If there is NO orginal sin, then there is no need of Christ, your Christianity is a lie and useless. Many so called Christian posters and at least one Jewish poster violently disagreed, and I was roundly cursed by at least one Jewish poster...vile things said to me. For which of course the only recourse by CJ, is to ban me, not the posters who react with childish hatred and vile name calling. So Charles's little meme of "A belief in Evolution does not preclude a belief in a Creator, and vica versa" is sophistry.
Specifically either there was a single source for the human race and orginal sin is true, or it is all B.S. I know what I believe, and the human race pretty much confirms to me everyday that they are a fallen creation. If evolution predicts otherwise then it is wrong and will be found out to be wrong. It is hardly a theory like any other in science as it depends on faith to believe and not verifiable repeatable measurements, experimentation, or at the least mathematical formulas for the description of the force of natural selection.
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HOW DARE YOU?
lol
Charles is a laughing stock.
@Rodon,
If you noticed, I didn't say a word about what I think of Kosovo independence, we are not discussing that here. I explained that "Serbs bashing" as you called it was the legitimate criticism of the burning of the the US embassy, which is a piece of US land.
So, when you don't agree with the US attitude on something, please try to be civil and not like Islamic fundamentalists who rush to the US embassy to burn it down.
Sorry, but you can not win this argument. There is no justification for that.
When you burn embassies, you only make your point weaker.
If Jihadwatch was flooded by Islamist's posing as Christian's. There would be a lot of banning going on I think.
"HOW DARE YOU?
~ Anonymous"
I got some crust,huh?
Nervy, I am.
;~)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNdEu9s5qUU
Charles has been a back-stabbing bully for years. His favorite device? Having friendly offline discussions about the disagreement/issue while he's twisting the knife in the posts. His one-sided relays of the offline conversations are not to be believed. Just narcissist Charles thumping his chest.
Always agree with him and his sychophants, fill his tip jar regularly, and you'll be fine.
//
This award is well-deserved!
Heh. I wouldn't last 5 minutes at LFG. My pro-European, pro-Serbian and pro-Christian attitudes would get me banned faster than I could register.
@ArcherB,
Let's not turn this into another evolution thread. We obviously stand way too far from each other on that. I have to comment on your quoting of Sharmuta.
You said,
"She's implying that reading the Bible makes people want to destroy Science. You could imply that reading the Bible makes you ignorant". I see that you missed the point absolutely here. Please read that again carefully, she didn't imply reading the Bible makes you ignorant and I see no hint of that even. It means : "they READ..., and they THOUGHT..." (So it's like "this is what they understood after all, which is not correct"). She is criticizing the misreading of the Bible, and not the fact that people read the Bible. I think the difference here is clear.
Come on people, why hold inquisition courts here? Stop judging people's faith in God and claiming to be God's only defenders. This is just so Islamic-like: Playing God's representative on earth.
anonymous above is 'realwest' who has to hide or face more questions about his father who supposedly died dashing past police and firemen into the WTC to rescue people.
I knew I was about to be banned. I posted a rebuttal of Chuckles latest slur on 'Fjordman', that he was a coward because he posted behind a nic. I pointed out that someone who opposes jihad risked both European hate speech codes and jihadis. Chuckles doesn't have a problem with Zombie posting under an alias (nor do I).
Knowing I was about to be banned, I linked that post at GCP, where most of the posters are military veterans like myself of the family of servicemen, where many of the refugees of The Charles first round of mass banning had settled.
I know, hotlinking pictures of Pennywise when I talk about Chuckles makes me an even bigger jerk than he thought possible, to paraphrase the methed up bass player and mad skilz computer programmer, but I just can't help myself.
Abu Lahab,
The Serb Bashing was going at LGF way before the US and its illegal recognition of Terrorist Entity called Kossovo. Meduara, Killgore Trout and others bashed the Serbs and praised the KLA and Bosnians. I reminded them these groups are linked with AL-Qaeda and they got angry.
Will you defend Meduara who openly calls for an ALbanian Islamic stae to cover 1/3 of the Balkans?
Also,
Care to discuss the Hispanic Bashing at LGF?
Ed, was that really realwest that is the anonymous one?
abu lahap said Those evolution threads were almost like battle grounds, they were not "echo chambers" , have a look at them and see for yourself.
Are you really this dense? I guess so since you must still be posting at LGF. CJ never banned anyone taking up the Evolutionist viewpoint. And most were not creationists as expressed by CJ or the brain dead sychophants kissing his ass.
I posted numerous links to scientists who disagree with evolution for too many reasons to list. Yet Charles only banned people who argued against doctrinaire evolutionary theory, suceeding in labeling anyone who disagrees as an idiot that believes the earth is only 6,000 years old.
Well I think we need to show that Charles thinks ANYONE that fights radical islam is a neo-nazi. Charles is a intollerant purist and closet liberal. He could never get in a real fight as he would be too busy washing the germs off of his hands after the handshake before the fight. He is the Monk of anti-Jihadists.
Abu Lahab, these words should be said to all of the LFG'ers that consider THEMSELVES to be the authority on evolution...
"Come on people, why hold inquisition courts here? Stop judging people's faith in God and claiming to be God's only defenders. This is just so Islamic-like: Playing God's representative on earth."
You're talkin' to the wrong blog.
On the eve of the US invasion of Iraq, the mindless Chameleons were claiming that the US was going to war in defence of my country, Israel.
That was enough for me.
@Rodan,
I'm not here defending people and explaining what each wrote and what he meant. But I'm saddened by these personal attacks on Charles simply because everyone expects him to be running his OWN blog like they wish.
It's a huge community, and it got to have some rules. It's a blog owned by one person and run by one person - why do people get angry when he sets HIS rules there?
Building a blog takes minutes only, why not disagree with him there?
Why attack him personally and make outrageous claims like "he is attacking Christianity" like some said above.
And by the way, I don't know about any Hispanic bashing at LGF.
I'm about 90% certain, based on style, that was indeed 'realwest'.
You can make him go away by asking questions about his claim that his father died at the WTC, charging into the flaming buildings despite fireman and police trying to stop him, and never being seen again.
It shows a certain disrespect to claim the mantle of victim from those who actually did lose friends and family on 9-11.
@Jehu,
I also believe that those who believe the earth is 6000 years old are totally wrong, I don't want to do name-calling here. I disagree with them 100%.
So I can't blame Charles for mocking that, sorry!
Ed,
I actually tried to meet him IRL and help the guy move from NYC to Charlotte but he came up with one excuse after another for not meeting me about his cancer treatments, which I'm not so sure are real. He could have gotten a nice meal and some face to face conversation.
Seems the guy is a bald face liar to me.
To Abu Lahab:
Here are some others:
#140 Basho
That argument doesn't work. Creationists see the bible as literal truth.
Not true. There are several different "types" of Creationists. He, like so many others on the site try to lump all Creationists into the "Young-Earth" camp.
152 Right mind left 11/18/2008 10:37:59 am PST
re: #144 MandyManners
"Young Earth Creationism, that the world is exactly 6,000 years old. The Bible doesn't say that."
The Bible just said something about the 6 days of work and the day off...
Was the world flat then too?
Right Mind Left is implying that if you are a Christian, you must be a Creationist that believes the world is flat.
And, this one is a winner:
247 MPH 11/18/2008 12:04:48 pm PST
re: #245 Land Shark
" The disturbing part is that 2% of biology professors might support this foolishness.
I'm a creationist and intelligent design believer, but I'm 100% opposed to teaching this matter of faith in science class. I've said it before and I'll keep saying it until they give it up. Since it looks like they won't give it up, looks like I'll have to keep saying it. Damn!"
Can you explain that thought process out a bit more. I'm not sure if you believe the earth is 6000 years old or 4.5 billion years old. Regardless, creationism/ID by definition would need to see modern biology a flawed and in need of correcting. If you believe evolutionary theory is wrong, why do you support the teaching of it?
LandShark can not understand how someone can be a Christian and NOT believe that the earth is 6000 years old.
The fascists and religious wingnuts all in a lather over being booted off someone else's web site. Censorship! Why, you can't use someone else's website to parade around your cuckoo syncretism (Hi Babazee!) or your mindbending religious dogmatism (why Jehu, fancy seeing you here)! Its, why...Censorship! And those brave brave racist creeps in Vlaams Belang, why, if they are against Islamist doctrine, that MUST make them worthy allies!
Good heavens, you turkeys: a man is known by his enemies. The fact that you declare yourselves to have some particularly loathesome enemies...Well, join the crowd. A lot of complete morons have woken up to the fact that you know, maybe Islamic fascism isn't such a great idea. Doesn't imply that any other form of fascism is better.
Is ploome around? That one would fit in with you lot.........
Abu Lahab said:
I also believe that those who believe the earth is 6000 years old are totally wrong, I don't want to do name-calling here. I disagree with them 100%.
So I can't blame Charles for mocking that, sorry!
But not all Creationists believe that. That is where the problem comes in. Charles, and other LGF'ers think that if you so much as question evolution, you must be a Creationist. And if you are a Creationist, you must reject science, believe the world is 6000 years old, belong to the Discovery Institute and want the Bible to replace science textbooks. Then they take their arguments against that and beat you over the head with it.
It is stereotyping. It's what they do. It's how they build their straw-man arguments to make themselves feel like they've won the debate. Oh, and then they ban you.
cuckoo syncretism
Why thank you!
Far more elegant than "Unhinged Loon"
abu lahab said @Jehu,
I also believe that those who believe the earth is 6000 years old are totally wrong, I don't want to do name-calling here. I disagree with them 100%.
So I can't blame Charles for mocking that, sorry!
Go back and get some directions from CJ. I wrote that Charles links all who diagree with evolution with those that believe the earth is 6,000 years old, to make a mockery of anyone who is not goose-stepping with him and Huxley...you are a fitting poster for CJ, stupid in a one dimensional way.
To say it another way because I know you still do not get it. I am not a young earther creationist. I am not sure how species come about and neither do Darwinists, but I know that the evidence so far supports immediate appearance of species, NOT slow micro-changes over time.
And lifeforms do have irreducibly complex mechanisms, including micro-mechanisms in living cells where the whole mechanism stands only as that whole and complete mechanism. And the eye is NOTHING without the brain.
And evolution does nothing to explain complex animal behaviors that are not learned, they have these behaviors at birth, they are programmed into species and on and on and on. But CJ the biologist KNOWS, as do his me-too choir.
Charles is being exposed by the day, I love this!
Here's to cuckoo syncretism!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFA9a1tM90M
Rue awakenings all around, I'm buying!
D
rude
Oh, no problem, Babbzee.
You aren't unhinged: just a narcissist. Lots of that on the web.
There are a few people here I like that Charles has banned, and don't really give a crap if someone doesn't like him for it. But complaining about censorship? Its HIS blog. boo hoo.
Babba-
I guess you figured out medusa is in the house. We should all now bow our heads in admiration...
Abu Lahab
Any time anyone dares to come out from under the LGF rock they always come out with that argument. Oh it's his blog, his rules. Well, firstly, most of the institutions in the media that CJ is so critical of are also privately owned and thus entitled to do their business as they see fit. Also, when he joined Pajamas Media, CJ was setting himself up as an alternative to the Mainstream media. He thus placed himself in the same line of fire for legitimate criticism. Some of the companies that he bleats about aren't even media companies. Google, Microsoft etc. They are in the business of making money. So why do they have to pass the anus gazer's purity test? At one point he even claimed that CNN was anti Semitic because he'd found an obscure weather web page which listed Jerusalem AR, Jerusalem GA etc, but not Jerusalem Israel. My guess is that his understanding of SQL isn't quite as good as he thinks.
Bweep
LOL!
Yeah: Its a blog, so that means in order to be different from CBS he has to let people say things he disagrees with!
Classic category error.
No, its a blog, so that means that the blogger can post what he likes in an accessible media. Get yourself a blog, whiner!
No! Charles threw you off LGF, so now you can't! Ever! You've been censored! I love it.
As long as we are all sharing- I read LGF for years before I finally got registered. I posted many times in the relatively short span of time I was "allowed." What got me banned was a tactfully benign post in opposition of Darwinian Gradualism. What was interesting was when I "down-dinged" posts by Charles, it ADDED 4 points in the positive! There is definitely an in-crowd and hierarchy at LGF that exhibits a not-so-subtle gang mentality towards everyone else who is not quite "in step."
It is his site and he can run it like he wants. I will not accuse him of censorship. I will simply acknowledge my disappointment that the site I respected and promoted for years ended up being a place where dissent from certain paradigms is not tolerated.
"Sir, you may buy a car, as long as it's red."
Look at that said...
Oh, no problem, Babbzee.
You aren't unhinged: just a narcissist. Lots of that on the web.
There are a few people here I like that Charles has banned, and don't really give a crap if someone doesn't like him for it. But complaining about censorship? Its HIS blog. boo hoo.
end quote
Did you even read my posts or do you have a reading comprehension problem?
He was nominted as most pro censorship asshat, I was nominated as best gal blogger (which was how I ended up on this thread)
I did not do the nominating. My posts have zero to do with your comment there, try addressing your horseshit to a post it applies to next time.
Of course Charles can ban whoever he wants off his own blog. It is (at least for now) a free country.
And I am equally free to point out that he is a thin skinned little nancy, sensitive to the smallest perceived insults, who uses six degree of separation type relationships to claim people are closet Nazis.
And a screaming hypocrite. Slamming Fjordman for not using his own name when he blogs, but readily linking to 'Zombie' who for reasons of his/her own, prefers his identity not be revealed.
"Classic category error!"
Not quite. This is from the Pajamas media about us web page.
http://pajamasmedia.com/about-us/
"They were linked together as an advertising network, but the intention was to provide a significant alternative to mainstream media. Two years later PJM has expanded its reach. Besides adding to its blog network, through its portal, PJM now provides exclusive news and opinion 24/7 in text, video and podcast from correspondents in over forty countries. Pajamas Media also has its own weekly show on XM satellite radio – PJM Political – and syndicates its original material like a news agency."
You'll notice the picture underneath.
Google is a search engine. It doesn't stop the unwashed at LGF reading all sorts of paranoid conspiracies into what's there and what's not there.
"You've been censored! I love it."
I take it you'll be voting for CJ in the poll then.
Bweep
Oh poor, poor Babbazee. SO misunderstood.
Why, you were just taking a little walk here, and BANG! someone OUTRAGEOUSLY thought you weere complaining about LGF in the context of censorship!
Such a victim! But chin up: it gives you (yet) another opportunity to "celebrate" what a plucky person you are....
Have you ever noticed you get a lot of hooks caught in your gills?
ed mahmoud of the many names, you are one of the banned that I miss. Like I say, call him what you like: makes no difference to me. I don't visit a blog 'cause I like the blogger. I visit it because I'm interested in the opinions and information.
HAHAHAHA
yea EC
You're right
No! Charles threw you off LGF, so now you can't! Ever! You've been censored! I love it.
I'm guessing you don't understand the concept of registration.
Most could... just don't want to.
Have fun ruining LGF! lol We'll have fun watching :D
Ever wonder how you can tell when you're dealing with an idiot! Let me tell you! Unless you can guess! They give themselves away all the time! All you have to do is pay attention to the punctuation!
LOL!!111!!
Bweep:
take it slow. I know you are smart and all, but try it this way:
If A is not B, and B is not C, this does not imply that A is C.
If a member of pajamas media (or Charles Johnson) does not allow special you to leave comments on their blogs, and neither does the New Yoirk Times freely publishj your insights, that does not imply that PJM is therefore in any important way (other than excluding special you) like the MSM.
So: simply because Charles has the effrontery to allow the "great unwashed" (ie: not you) to post there, but does not allow spectacular you to say what you like, doesn't mean Pajamas Media greatly resembles MSM.
I feel like Wellington at Waterloo. I keep looking to the horizon to see when Gordon is going to appear. All I can see is the red glow from Realwest's ass.
Bweep
I still read LGF, but I made a reference comparing him to Andrew Sullivan (both swerved into the weeds at some point, that was my only claim) that I got banned.
Oh well. If I need to learn about ominous creationists, I'll return. It sure was better back when it was about Palestinian 'Kill Israelis' Puppet Shows and what not.
look at that said...
LOL!
Yeah: Its a blog, so that means in order to be different from CBS he has to let people say things he disagrees with!
No it is that he dishonestly links you to a groupthink you are not a part of, then bans you when you argue against HIS groupthink. Sort of like when I call you a homosexual, because you like giving blowjobs. Then you argue you really only like anal sex, so then I will have to ban you because you are arguing agaist blowjobs, which I forgot to tell you that I like.
Babbazee, good to see you here! I just cast a vote for The Outraged Spleen of Zion, though I don't think you'll be able to catch Kathy at Five Feet of Fury--she's great.
I know you are a staunch opponent of VB just as you know that I'm a strong supporter of them. Yet we always managed to get along at LGF and elsewhere. Why can't Charles get along with those who have differing opinions? Why must he wield the banning stick so relentlessly rather than engage his opponents in legitimate argument? Why must all the lizards follow his terse prununciamentos in lockstep? Why, Charles, why?
Charles is now at 51% of the vote for Biggest Pro-Censorship Ass-Hat. When I made the first anti-CJ comment on this thread and began to spread the word around, he was at 13%. So when you win this thing Charles, I'd appreciate an h/t.
As for the anon. poster who said I was merely a troll, I'm going to have to disagree. I always stayed on topic--defending the VB from spurious charges of Nazism, fascism, racism and anti-Semitism. I never used foul language. I never advocated violence. I never insulted the host or fellow commenters, even in the face of dozens or hundreds of insults directed at me, as I'm sure Babba and others can verify. All I did was defend the VB and their supporters as patriotic conservative nationalists, on a so-called conservative website no less. Yet I was banned. Rationalize that, Mr or Ms Anonymous.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K27d7Ut5bXo
Now that's plucky.
We love you Babba!
Anon @ 5:06 PM is me
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